Savannah wrote:It sounds freaky & wrong, so you need to do it.
Bay Bridge Sue wrote:Everything from helping launch Playawaste Raiders to, hell, Georgie Boy.
marck wrote:I don't think BBSue is claiming that Apokliptika was responsible for starting the Playawaste Raiders, I think she is saying that members of Apok left to help start the Raiders, which is true but might sound misleading.
Less than half of the members of the Raiders in 2009(the first year) left Apok because they were unhappy about how it was being run.
We've had many of ourformer members (left to)leave for other camps over the years (or start their own), and do amazing, non-Apokliptika things. Everything from helping launch Playawaste Raidersto, hell, Georgie Boy.
theCryptofishist wrote:marck wrote:I don't think BBSue is claiming that Apokliptika was responsible for starting the Playawaste Raiders, I think she is saying that members of Apok left to help start the Raiders, which is true but might sound misleading.
Less than half of the members of the Raiders in 2009(the first year) left Apok because they were unhappy about how it was being run.
I agree:We've had many of ourformer members (left to)leave for other camps over the years (or start their own), and do amazing, non-Apokliptika things. Everything from helping launch Playawaste Raidersto, hell, Georgie Boy.
Or maybe I'm mistaking what Marck is saying...
At any rate, I am happy to hear my camp will be back, and await further developments.
Dr Jet Sinister wrote:Two people camping with PWR is not 'Apok helping to launch PWR'. It's a purposely deceitful way of attempting to take credit for the ideas, vision, and work of others. The majority of campers with PWR have NEVER camped with Apok. I refuse to have our camp be a part of such a ridiculous lie. Again, leave us out of your drama stew.
theCryptofishist wrote:With both number and "help" it didn't seem to be claiming all that much to me.
But then, who will listen to me, given where I am standing?
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention.
CapSmashy wrote:theCryptofishist wrote:With both number and "help" it didn't seem to be claiming all that much to me.
But then, who will listen to me, given where I am standing?
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention.
This is what, the third or fourth time this has come up and been specifically explained to you concerning the origins of PWR and how it had nothing to do with APOK?
trilobyte wrote:For what it's worth, I didn't read Sue's post as claiming credit for other peoples' work as much as saying that people who have left Apokiliptika have gone on to be involved in other awesome things.
Dr Jet Sinister wrote:Bay Bridge Sue wrote:Everything from helping launch Playawaste Raiders to, hell, Georgie Boy.
Oh HELL no... Apok had nothing to do with 'launching PWR' other than driving some of your former campers away. Attempting to take credit for the work of others is a new low.
You should leave us out of your drama stew.
Dr Jet Sinister wrote:theCryptofishist wrote:
At any rate, I am happy to hear my camp will be back, and await further developments.
Two people camping with PWR is not 'Apok helping to launch PWR'. It's a purposely deceitful way of attempting to take credit for the ideas, vision, and work of others. The majority of campers with PWR have NEVER camped with Apok. I refuse to have our camp be a part of such a ridiculous lie. Again, leave us out of your drama stew.
Jellyfish, on the other hand, might appreciate having his work 'launched' by Apok. You'd have to ask him.
trilobyte wrote:That's great news! I'm sorry to hear about the camp drama going on behind the scenes, and hope that things work out as amicably as possible. I look forward to seeing Apokiliptika as well as Sideshow on the playa in 2013, I think both themes are a lot of fun.

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