Spiking

[Bob]

I hear the mister freaks aim straight for the eyes, ala spitting cobras. Easily absorbed there.

Worse are the guys in cow costumes who trick you into drinking from their "udders". Saw Ranger Randy take down one of those guys back in '02 I think.

[knowmad]

Spray/Misting Dosing is pretty much a debunked myth. The amount of chemical needed to get someone high from misting would be financially beyond the reach of most people.

I agree, but I find these sort of dosing legends to be really fascinating. I imagine that the MKULTRA program is mostly responsible for planting the seed for these legends by actually being CIA agents going around dosing random people.

I would be interested to hear what a biochemist has to say, but poking around a bit on the web, it seems like transdermal absorption of drugs is extremely ineffective for most substances - after all, the whole point of having skin is to keep stuff out of the body.

The people who are really really into hallucinating and documenting everything have the following to say:

The primary reports of this type of accidental transference are in places where LSD is being manufactured or large amounts of liquid LSD are being handled, placed on blotter, etc. In these cases, large enough quantities might be present to more easily be absorbed through the skin.

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2838

I would imagine that on the playa where misted water evaporates extremely quickly, absorption would be even worse. So what would it take, 100 normal doses, 1000 normal doses, is this even physically possible?

Maybe if someone dumped a bucket of fully saturated LSD solution on you, or gave you a 30 minute rubdown with mushroom and cactus paste?



Thanks for the win coach, enjoy the trip home.

I brought thisover from here. This topic has been flogged quite well.
However to appease the "But I Happens" folks. GHB dosing and Rooffie dosing though can happen. prolly with smaller % than Defaultia Nightclubs.

Being a recent graduate of a Bio-Chem course that included an insane amount of Calculations, and a "Head", also apparently an entitled/femininized Gen-Xer in possesin of fair to middlen logic skills; I Ask the Following....
Do you honestly think the same intellect that wants to dose some one with a spray bottle, be able to calculate (with a +/- 20% error) the amount of a solution to mix?
seriously not as easy as geting yer hands on some of that 'ol janx spirit, and slaping it in a sprayer. If some of these words need t be goggled you would fail: Mole, Molar, Molecular weight, 6.022 x 10^23, trans dermal ingestion, the going street price for a x amount of "Stuff".
Lets say you've got the math, and the Cash, hell let's say you are a chemist and cooked up your own batch. why should I believe [fear] that you'd just g about dosing random folk?
ok, The first group of people to show the door to is those that would claim "They are demented sociopaths with no rhyme to their reason." uh, generally people with the mental facility's to produce said drug probly have sampled the Kool-aid so to speak. and as a few of us know Conscious expanding substances seem to make you think about cause and effect, ergo not fucking likely that person would "waste" their goods on a non-supplicant.
and if you ment sociopatic to decribe those kind of people as sexual peditors, "they dose you then rape you." well Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol®) works hella better. [watch the Hangover and think]
the second group I hear this from relies on an even weaker stance; "they want every one to feel high like they are." frakin insane! When I'm trippin balls the last thing I want around me is some one with a normal I.Q. high on acid trying to elucidate on, oh, let's say the Nature of God, as if they were his brother. what an experienced head wants and needs around them while high are Drunks, they are funny, have cigarettes, and can tell the difference between an Art car and two glo-stick bedecked ravers fucking on the open playa.
And as an aside; If said Cook was so anti-Social don't you think they'd be out to Dose Cops? really! think about it?
Well It happened to a friend of mine, it was the water bottle!
if we all got a dime for every thing that we thought "happened" on the playa, or a dime for everything your drama queen friend claimed, our ticket price would be ten cents.
In light of; Occam's razor, which is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" please explain why a mad Scientist cook would be able to act Crazy while being Rational.
Honestly the only real answerer to this is Bush/Chenny/Obama/Trilateralist world domination plan relies on getting unsuspecting burners to lose their cookies and chase after glo-stick bedecked ravers who fuck on the open playa while giving out $250,000 worth of LSD.

[Not to OPer]
Sorry for not believing you, I have given all of my gullibility hit poitns out to our camps sparkle pony, so they could achieve nirvana at a Ti Chi Chi Tea Yoga Chakra decorating party. my bad.

[Bob]

Buzzkill.

[BeyondIndigo]

I wasn't actually at all worried about the misting menace...I appreciate, as you guys have said, that transdermal absorption of a drug is not exactly an efficient route of transmission. It was more concern about food and drink being spiked...obviously a far more efficient route of transmission.

[lemur]

aint many things more amusing than the FREAK OUT some people have if you have a small spray bottle on you.. (even more so if you use it!!!).. for some people this is a crusade..

ive been berated for just having one!! OMG FREAK OUT.

it took a lot of restraint to not smack em upside the head and tell em they are dumb..

[Savannah]

As a side note: theme camps that serve food on a large scale (as part of their participation in the event) have to have a license from the Nevada Health Department, and are subject to a site visit.

[lemur]

also worth noting is that any camp serving food to the public (or over 150 to their own private camp, as per 2011 rules) will have to have their permit posted in a very visible public place where anyone should be able to see it.. it is the first thing they wanted to see when my kitchen got inspected.

there will be names of those responsible for the kitchen.. including the foodproduct that is to be made (approved ahead of time when the permit is applied for pre-event)

when getting the permit the health dept ask for a time when you are operating the kitchen so they can perform a site visit..

if you have problems it will be easy to find out who is ultimately responsible for all things 'kitchen'
it will be easy to see if they are serving things they are not permitted for
and it will be easy to hold the responsible parties accountable ... (and/or get the situation dealt with)

if its anything like in the past if you need to talk to the nevada health dept people they are usually at playa info in center camp around the times of 10am to 3pm.. (it varies)

[theCryptofishist]

Spray/Misting Dosing is pretty much a debunked myth. The amount of chemical needed to get someone high from misting would be financially beyond the reach of most people.

I agree, but I find these sort of dosing legends to be really fascinating. I imagine that the MKULTRA program is mostly responsible for planting the seed for these legends by actually being CIA agents going around dosing random people.

Yeah, this is where I don't believe you because the person I know to whom this happened to is my now dead husband...
Maybe it was something else, but I don't think he'd lie to me.

[BeyondIndigo]

also worth noting is that any camp serving food to the public (or over 150 to their own private camp, as per 2011 rules) will have to have their permit posted in a very visible public place where anyone should be able to see it.. it is the first thing they wanted to see when my kitchen got inspected.

there will be names of those responsible for the kitchen.. including the foodproduct that is to be made (approved ahead of time when the permit is applied for pre-event)

when getting the permit the health dept ask for a time when you are operating the kitchen so they can perform a site visit..

if you have problems it will be easy to find out who is ultimately responsible for all things 'kitchen'
it will be easy to see if they are serving things they are not permitted for
and it will be easy to hold the responsible parties accountable ... (and/or get the situation dealt with)

if its anything like in the past if you need to talk to the nevada health dept people they are usually at playa info in center camp around the times of 10am to 3pm.. (it varies)

Thank you lemur, that was very informative. Thanks for taking the time to tell me that. It's good stuff to know

[Bob]

also worth noting is that any camp serving food to the public (or over 150 to their own private camp, as per 2011 rules) will have to have their permit posted in a very visible public place where anyone should be able to see it.. it is the first thing they wanted to see when my kitchen got inspected.

there will be names of those responsible for the kitchen.. including the foodproduct that is to be made (approved ahead of time when the permit is applied for pre-event)

when getting the permit the health dept ask for a time when you are operating the kitchen so they can perform a site visit..

if you have problems it will be easy to find out who is ultimately responsible for all things 'kitchen'
it will be easy to see if they are serving things they are not permitted for
and it will be easy to hold the responsible parties accountable ... (and/or get the situation dealt with)

if its anything like in the past if you need to talk to the nevada health dept people they are usually at playa info in center camp around the times of 10am to 3pm.. (it varies)

Like, major buzzkill.

Worse is somebody spitting tobacco into your beer. Never set your can down.

[Triken]

after all, the whole point of having skin is to keep stuff out of the body.

by the way, it also does a pretty good job of holding all that gooey stuff IN!

[theCryptofishist]

*note to self: cancel tomorrow's flaying.*

[teardropper]

I didn't used to think it was much of a problem. But something happened last year that made me reconsider. We spoke with the Rangers, but there's really nothing you can do about it. It was a group of private guys, neighbors, not a camp or anything. Probably should've known better, because these guys were kind of weird,
sat on the deck of their big new RV and shouted at girls as they went by. There's nothing really weird about that. But there was something just a little creepy and obscene. They weren't nice. You live and learn. But I'm not sure what we've learned. Not to trust people at burning man? We couldn't go if we did that. So, you do what you think is right and hope lightning doesn't strike twice. Hey, it ain't Sesame Street. It's burning man. It's a city, bigger than the city I live in. And I'm careful where I go and what I do here. You just got to use your good judgment.

[theCryptofishist]

If something had happened to a girl, what would you have done? Would you have been willing to testify in court? Give a LEO a statement?
Yeah, there are creeps on playa. And maybe we can't do much about low-level creepitude. But when they cross lines, there's a lot we can do, starting with stepping in and get between the creep and the target. And yes, some of us might have to do what the community in general hates, knowing that's the way to keep even more hateful things from happening...

[teardropper]

Fishy, it was a girl, well a woman. And I did what I could. There's no way to prove anything. Nothing happened except maybe some drugs. That is what I did, I got her out of that situation. I was going to say something about not going alone, but sometimes it's fun to do things alone. I hate to not trust that much.

But that brings up something that is kind of important. I don't think we want to be vigilantes but there are a whole lot of people who come out who don't even know what the 10 principles are. Just cause you go to the Burn doesn't mean you are a Burner.

The first principle rocks. But when things happen, we shouldn't ignore it.

[theCryptofishist]

Yes. I don't like vigilantism either.


I did my fucking best with the Bureau of Erotic Discourse, but the core group has burned out, so it looks like that it might not be going into the future. I hope someone builds on their work in the future.

[MisaBlue]

I haven't really thought about that. When somebody wanted to give me something, they just told me/asked me...and I said no, thank you and it was perfectly fine
I think using common sense is the only thing you need...as normally...

[ygmir]

I haven't really thought about that. When somebody wanted to give me something, they just told me/asked me...and I said no, thank you and it was perfectly fine
I think using common sense is the only thing you need...as normally...

this is much easier for some, than others............

[knowmad]

I haven't really thought about that. When somebody wanted to give me something, they just told me/asked me...and I said no, thank you and it was perfectly fine
I think using common sense is the only thing you need...as normally...

this is much easier for some, than others............

yes, Coman sense is just not as comman these days.

[ygmir]

I haven't really thought about that. When somebody wanted to give me something, they just told me/asked me...and I said no, thank you and it was perfectly fine
I think using common sense is the only thing you need...as normally...

this is much easier for some, than others............

yes, Coman sense is just not as comman these days.

well said,,,,,,,,,,comely Comrade.

[Herring]

Nobody takes any offense when you ask about what's being offered to you, and if they do you don't want their negative cookies anyway.

Even totally sober, the sun, the heat, the dryness, the lack of sleep, the overstimulation, the combined energy of all those people, all that is burning man will probably have you tripping harder than you would even if you were a casual substance partaker the rest of the year. So be sure to make friends and have buddies around, and don't be shy about using the mental health services available on the playa.

[Bay Bridge Sue]

I got dosed... once... and had a couple attempts of getting roofed in BRC. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen, and you stll have to remain aware and alert.

The one where I got "hit" was a safe venue (seriously) and the bad part was it TOTALLY fubarred an evening and a half of Black Rock City for a couple people. It pretty much sucked. Also caught a couple attempts where an azzole tried to drop something into my goblet or slip something into a shotglass I was pouring at the kantina. The azzoles did NOT enjoy the results.

Strangely, I *may* have been roofed at the SF Decomp last year - I usually won't fall over or pass out over a few shots of Vodka, but I was out like light after literally falling over everything before wandering to my truck and passing out. Of course, I was asshole for "disappearing", maybe I was that drunk (first time for everything), but the more I thought about it, it was the same as the one time I got "hit" at BRC. Came to a number of hours later, felt woozy but coherant, not knowing how I got where I did, but was well enough to deal with shit. Yeah.

Bottom line - YOU are responsible for maintaining YOUR good health. Know your cup, blow it out before anything gets put in it, watch for people getting close to your drink. If there's a question, lose the drink - "Oops, spilled that one"... not worth getting into trouble. Or losing the respect of your komrades..

[gyre]

Vigilante is a word rarely used accurately.

Cops commonly use it because good citizens expose the myth that they do anything but show up after it is too late, and draw the chalk outlines.

[gyre]

By the way, there are many topical drugs.

It's very efficient, but not a quick method for using a drug.

I have no idea about effectiveness for common drugs, but there are chemicals with 1000 times the potency of lsd by volume.

[TomServo]

I have heard stories of dosing...and watched on, as the Rangers and Sheriffs Dept. escorted a gentleman out of BRC, for slipping a date rape drug. A popular drink used to mask the flavor of certain drugs is Cranberry Juice.

[teardropper]

A popular drink used to mask the flavor of certain drugs is Cranberry Juice.

Great... one of my favorite drinks has cranberry as a main ingredient, the Playa Breeze.

But... how do you know this...?

[Sage Venkman]

Dosing is rare.

If you could get high from a mister, I would have been tripping balls for over a decade now. I'm not going to say adverse reactions don't happen, but they've never happened to me, but I have seen allergic reactions to things in misters (e.g. lavender water).

There used to be Timothy Leary types out on the playa who want to turn you on because they think you need the experience. Now they are so extremely rare, they should be on an endangered species list.

There are predatory guys, a sippie cup or a drink with a screw on lid will do the trick for the ladies.

A more common problem often labelled dosing is when someone offers a baked good with a little "something something" and the baker has not realized that something was enhanced by supplier of said something without the gifter's knowledge. Best to always ask "is this just a brownie/cookie/vegan muffin baked with spirulina and/or wheatgrass that looks like something else?"

Also, we don't live in a drug culture anymore, and people can't often distinguish between what their body is doing because its intoxicated, depleted, and dehydrated versus dosed on something. Also, people are more sensitive to drugs these days because they don't use them as much and haven't built accommodation, and there are so many more analogues that people haven't encountered. Compound that with dealers who think the Burn is their own little trade show, who sell things other than what they claim, maybe because they just want to experiment on unsuspecting people. You can usually tell a real case of dosing because it will hit several people at once collectively.

[TomServo]

A popular drink used to mask the flavor of certain drugs is Cranberry Juice.

Great... one of my favorite drinks has cranberry as a main ingredient, the Playa Breeze.

But... how do you know this...?

Multiple sources, including LEOs and Rangers. It's popular because the cranberry goodness is strong enough to mask the sour flavors of certain drugs. Please don't ask me to list them...but I believe GHB is one

[Sage Venkman]

A popular drink used to mask the flavor of certain drugs is Cranberry Juice.

Great... one of my favorite drinks has cranberry as a main ingredient, the Playa Breeze.

But... how do you know this...?

Multiple sources, including LEOs and Rangers. It's popular because the cranberry goodness is strong enough to mask the sour flavors of certain drugs. Please don't ask me to list them...but I believe GHB is one

Ack, new one on me. Well, I guess the lesson is stay away from bars run by frat boys and "goddess services" camps.

[Savannah]

Dosing is rare.

If you could get high from a mister, I would have been tripping balls for over a decade now. I'm not going to say adverse reactions don't happen, but they've never happened to me, but I have seen allergic reactions to things in misters (e.g. lavender water).

There used to be Timothy Leary types out on the playa who want to turn you on because they think you need the experience. Now they are so extremely rare, they should be on an endangered species list.

There are predatory guys, a sippie cup or a drink with a screw on lid will do the trick for the ladies.

A more common problem often labelled dosing is when someone offers a baked good with a little "something something" and the baker has not realized that something was enhanced by supplier of said something without the gifter's knowledge. Best to always ask "is this just a brownie/cookie/vegan muffin baked with spirulina and/or wheatgrass that looks like something else?"

Also, we don't live in a drug culture anymore, and people can't often distinguish between what their body is doing because its intoxicated, depleted, and dehydrated versus dosed on something. Also, people are more sensitive to drugs these days because they don't use them as much and haven't built accommodation, and there are so many more analogues that people haven't encountered. Compound that with dealers who think the Burn is their own little trade show, who sell things other than what they claim, maybe because they just want to experiment on unsuspecting people. You can usually tell a real case of dosing because it will hit several people at once collectively.

Good stuff. The whole situation is rare, & the few dosings are more likely to be accidental than intentional.

In 11 years (7 burns) I've seen:

* a friend who felt euphoric & thought she'd been dosed through a large piece of holographic glitter on the skin. She waited it out at Medical.
* buttery pasta, from a friend who said "whoops!" after I had a small serving (I didn't mind, luckily . . . & felt no effect actually)
* one person who had unwittingly eaten a piece of augmented candy through a misunderstanding, and was uncomfortably stoned.

Since the first occasion was uncertain (never any confirmation), I can say only I knew surely of the second two for sure. Both accidental, & obviously only one noticeable. Much more common: people eat too little in the heat of the day, drink too little water, and then have booze (or altitude weirdness) in the first day and are shocked by their change in tolerance. In embarrassment, sinister reasons are sometimes attached where they don't belong. So . . . proceed gently, don't forget to eat, pack a snack & some water in your bag before you roam, & consume less than at a normal party situation 'til you know how the climate and a reduced appetite affect you. Take a canteen or camelbak at night, too. I have seen a bizarre number of people who have no water when out dancing at sound camps. I know they don't, because if I whip my water out, I suddenly have 6 new friends.

I can't abide the idea of carrying a sippy cup, so if I'm carrying a drink I keep it in front of me, and I listen to my instincts in general, and stay in the company of friends. (But lidded beer steins are sexy!)

If you feel like something is "off" and you're not well, tell a few someones and go to Medical, where they can keep an eye on you 'til you feel better.