jkisha wrote:Yup, and the tides go in and the tides go out. Ya just can't explain it. God only knows.
theCryptofishist wrote:A desperate attempt to inject humor and cuteness into the thread:
jkisha wrote:Saber rattling!? I thought I was being quite reserved.
BTW I'm not a big fan of AA either, for many of the reasons you cite. But it works for some--and it doesn't for others. My problem with your post is your misunderstanding of addiction. If your assumption about addiction were true, taken to it's logical conclusion one could say if you had cancer, you could just will it away because you are so powerful. Which, I'm sure you would admit, is absurd.
Ugly Dougly wrote:You don't have to believe in the Easter Bunny to enjoy the chocolate.
The universe is a fucking mystery, nobody knows where it came from or why we're here. Things go a lot easier when you stop pretending that you know everything.
And Tom, I'm so pleased that you've stayed sober and been trying to work the program. I'm sure having to deal with the religious aspect of it is hard for you. You have a lot to be proud of. Just stay sober, live your life without booze and help others who are in the same position as you. I think you'd be terrific at it!
TomServo wrote:Staying sober is a breeze. I just don't drink. But, rationalizing sobriety...other than the money and health issues...is a whole different question. I like the high.
TomServo wrote:THE TWELVE STEPS OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become
-I have admitted I was weak willed against my addiction. That my addiction often triumphed over common sense and reality.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to
- I have come to believe in the power of MY community, it’s values and practices, that give me peace of mind.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we
- I have made the decision to allow my higher power to guide me in my endeavors and give me the will to exercise my thoughts and habits.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
- I’ve been raised to examine my mistakes and successes, and to learn from them.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
- My higher power is guiding me through my recovery. I am learning the patterns and habits that have always led me down the wrong path.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature
of our wrongs.
- I have admitted my wrongs, to myself and my peers. I have expressed an earnest desire to improve upon them.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
I have asked my peers for guidance, and work upon their advice.
8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make
amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do
so would injure them or others.
I’ve been making amends to those I’ve harmed for several years, and have learned to either stop myself before harming another or promptly resolve my negative actions.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly
- see above
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with
God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us
and the power to carry that out.
- I am Agnostic..My higher power is not a god, however I do meditate on the principles of my higher power and seek guidance in my recovery.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to
carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our
-My higher power has given me a spiritual awakening. I have developed a closer relationship with my higher power, because of these steps.
maryanimal wrote:Still sarcastic I see..
TomServo wrote:1 year sober, this week!! And I still fucking hate AA! << my personal view. I won't lie to anyone, including myself...I probably will have that Dirty Martini. But, I don't really want one right now.
jkisha wrote:There are other ways to quit besides AA. But I'm sure the fact that your meetings in Bakersfield is a big part of the reason you don't like them. You ought to try a few meetings in West Hollywood or Beverly Hills!
TomServo wrote:Many thanx. Taking my one year chip today. My dog needs some new bling. Hope to offend as many people as possible. But thank you all, my higher power, for the encouragement.
....and I still don't want a drink.
Elorrum wrote:bump?TomServo wrote:Many thanx. Taking my one year chip today. My dog needs some new bling. Hope to offend as many people as possible. But thank you all, my higher power, for the encouragement.
....and I still don't want a drink.
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