Fine Art and the photo policy

[C.f.M.]

Im gifting disposable cameras, to everyone I meet!

I actually had this thought this weekend.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TeLkgXFlBI[/youtube]

[Minxy]

Oh dear...two Dr. Jets.

I want to take a picture of your dick, OED.

No problem!

Come by Terminal City, I am in the Big RED bus, right behind the frontage of the Playawaste Raiders theme camp, come by anytime!

most people there just call me Dr. Jet., I would be easier to find if you just call me that on playa too.

Again? Everyone already knows my dick is bigger than yours.

[oneeyeddick]

No, seriously Minxy, I am in the Big Red bus, come find me.

[Minxy]

How do you fit that giant penis in a bus?

I've seen the giant penis...I haven't seen the bus.

[oneeyeddick]

Come by the Big Red Bus and I will show you.

[unjonharley]

Come by the Big Red Bus and I will show you.

Sure hope you use protection

[Foxfur]

I'm still reading page 1 on this thread but couldn't hold back until finished.

Fuck your "art".
Fuck your entitlement.
Fuck your elitism.
Fuck your whole program.
And...
FUCK YOU!

God I hate "professional" artists like you. You seem to think that your framed piece of paper (Mighty Fine Asswiper) elevates you above all other artists not only at the burn but in the default world as well. You presume to show up with your art and create your piece de resistance. You might just end up with shitty photos that are half dust mote and half drunk guys in tutu's.
What happens then? Demand your money back due to your not receiving a value added experience.
Who the fuck pays enough money for one of your 'limited edition' photos? What the fuck does limited even mean these days. I assume from your legalist nitpicking approach that your definition would be something akin to a limit of one copy per customer instead of one of one.
Seriously, you think BM photos are going to finance your artist's lifestyle?

Your expectations of the extension of 'professional artists rights' to you have no basis in reality. Your possesiveness of the 'art' you intend to 'create' really smacks folks as profiteering. We DON'T like that.

Take the damned hints. If you keep getting responses to communicate with the org, fuck, do it. People tell you something won't fly, repeatedly, but you continue to argue as if you are going to convince us that we're wrong, then you've earned all the fuck you's that you can eat. The rest will be rectally inserted. Call it art.

Now I'll go back and finish reading the thread. My next post will be filled with an all new series of limited edition Fuck You's that you, my dear subject, have inspired.

Suck it.

Ff

[theCryptofishist]

Foxfur,
Has anyone ever told you you're beautiful when you're angry? CAuse you are.
Thank you

[Homiesinheaven]

Homie, pearls before swine...save them.

I dunno; I enjoyed it.

(Homiesinheaven always seems both sane and calm. At least on ePlaya.)

calm? maybe. sane? dunno about that!



Simon did we meet on the playa?

[goathead]

Love it when the kids play nice.

[Savannah]

Homie, pearls before swine...save them.

I dunno; I enjoyed it.

(Homiesinheaven always seems both sane and calm. At least on ePlaya.)

calm? maybe. sane? dunno about that!



Simon did we meet on the playa?

I didn't mean to pigeonhole you.

[Minxy]

See, I ditto what Foxfur said...but I was too wussy to say it. Plus I always try to play sorta nice first. Well, mostly always...

I love you Foxfur! Crap, my stalking list is getting too large. Choices, choices...

[EspressoDude]

MFA...wondered what that was......Mthr Fkn ATTITUDE!!

Just cuz your trust fund mommie bought you a Masterbators degree.

What; couldn't get and hold a job with your attitude, mommie kept you in college...

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Flamethrowers vs. Finearts

10 pm Thursday night at Thunderdome
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live
At an art galley near you

Oh, One Eyed Dick wants to give you his giant green penis...........

[Simon of the Playa]

Homie, we sure did...at root society...i recognized your eyes thru my onboard retinal scan and said hello..i think it was at the small kitchen/bar dome..

[goathead]

it was probably dusty.

[Dr Jet Sinister]

Oh dear...two Dr. Jets.

There is only one Dr. Jet.

OED truly enjoys sending people on fool's errands.

[Minxy]

ROFL

[Major Krash]

Hello (snip) Is there any consideration here for working artists?

Hello Photino Bird

Hmmmm....I don't take camera (I suck at photography, and I tend to break them). I do appreciate a good Burning Man photo though, and our Village has a phenomenal professional photographer that somehow manages to work within the rules (and I have never heard him complain).

"Consideration is the concept of legal value in connection with contracts. It is anything of value promised to another when making a contract. It can take the form of money, physical objects, services, promised actions, abstinence from a future action, and much more. Under the notion of "pre-existing duties," if either the promisor or the promisee already had a legal obligation to render such payment, it cannot be seen as consideration in the legal sense."(Wikipedia)

World English Dictionary
consideration (kənˌsɪdəˈreɪʃən)

— n
1. the act or an instance of considering; deliberation; contemplation
2. take into consideration to bear in mind; consider
3. under consideration being currently discussed or deliberated
4. a fact or circumstance to be taken into account when making a judgment or decision
5. on no consideration for no reason whatsoever; never
6. thoughtfulness for other people; kindness
7. payment for a service; recompense; fee
8. thought resulting from deliberation; opinion
9. law the promise, object, etc, given by one party to persuade another to enter into a contract
10. estimation; esteem
11. in consideration of
a. because of
b. in return for

...it does sound like you plan to make money from the photographs you take, which sounds like a form of commerce, which is kind of a sensitive subject around here.

Oh, and Eplaya is not the Playa, and has nothing to do with how Burning Man is run - this is just a place for E-kooks to hang out and brag about flaming penises and such...most Burners don't even post or read here.

Contact the Mistress of Communications, since she is the only one that can answer your questions with any authority. Best of luck...

[BBadger]

So let's consider if we allowed people to commercially exploit BM. I feel that participants in BM are not simply an audience, but actors in the event itself, and any commercial exploitation must negotiate with each and every independent actor in the event for licensing fees, distribution rights, royalties, etc. You don't visit a circus and get off selling videos of the circus right? You have to negotiate with the true content creators (and no, just because you have a copy on your flash media/film doesn't mean the content you recorded is yours). The same thing when you visit a gallery; you can't bring your camera in there and start taking shots, and certainly not to sell them.

Having the event's media right controlled by BMorg centralizes the media rights process, and relinquishes said media rights to them. Sure, it sounds very anti-rights, but just as BMOrg is needed to ensure an event this size doesn't get shut down for permit violations, so does it also maintain copyright and media rights, as well as a centralized organization to defend them. It's much like how Disney actually controls media rights to photos and media taken within its parks. In the case of both BM and Disneyland, the rules are lax for most usage because most people attend the event for the experience, not for commercial exploitation. Still, Disney Corp won't, for example, allow Mickey to be photographed so someone can go and sell photos of Mickey. That is a violation of copyright and the terms of service. You'd need an agreement with Disney or you could be sued for copyright violations.

[Simon of the Playa]

dead on.

+mucho.

[EspressoDude]

good summary BBadger!

lets not forget all the set builders, set dressers, makeup artists, hairstylists, etc. Just like the long list of credits at the end of a movie....

[CapSmashy]

No problem!

Come by Terminal City, I am in the Big RED bus, right behind the frontage of the Playawaste Raiders theme camp, come by anytime!

most people there just call me Dr. Jet., I would be easier to find if you just call me that on playa too.

Ahem...

You may not like the results if I put you in a wig and call you Dr. Jet.

[Foxfur]

See, I ditto what Foxfur said...but I was too wussy to say it. Plus I always try to play sorta nice first. Well, mostly always...

I love you Foxfur! Crap, my stalking list is getting too large. Choices, choices...

I had second thoughts after posting that little love poem. They dissipated rather quickly though.
I, as a rule, am not a hater or profane pontificator but homeslice there really pushed my button with his obstinate refusal to get a clue.
It reminded me of the Phish camp thread where the OP, after being served manageable portions of snark kept insisting how great phish is. It was soapbox activism gone totally awry.
I love hearing other peoples opinions but MFA was on a bit of a jihad.
My only regret is that he abandoned ship midway.
I wonder how he gets by in other forums...

I made your stalker list? You are so sweet. With your permission I'd like to add you to mine.
Humbly yours,
Ff

[Minxy]

I made your stalker list? You are so sweet. With your permission I'd like to add you to mine.
Humbly yours,
Ff

Of course. I can't wait to meet you. I hope you make it to the BDC Meet and Greet on Thursday!

[Foxfur]

I made your stalker list? You are so sweet. With your permission I'd like to add you to mine.
Humbly yours,
Ff

Of course. I can't wait to meet you. I hope you make it to the BDC Meet and Greet on Thursday!

That is the one event I will not miss! I could miss the man burning and not shed a tear. To me, the people are THE event.
I look forward to seeing you @ the MnG or sooner

[Minxy]

Yay! Us Oregonians gotta stick together. Even though I'm in CA now...bleh.

[Savannah]

. . . Stalking each other could prove to be a sort of city-wide hide n' seek scavenger hunt, with the Meet n' Greet as jolly old Olly Olly Oxen Free.

[Minxy]

. . . Stalking each other could prove to be a sort of city-wide hide n' seek scavenger hunt, with the Meet n' Greet as jolly old Olly Olly Oxen Free.

It could! It sounds like I saw something in the Playa Calender when perusing it about a Warrior game where people are going to wear bandannas in their team's colors and run around the city hunting each other with squirt guns.

Sounds fun!

[Playa Hater]

I'm with Bob's first comment.