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oneeyeddick · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject:

It has become painfully clear to me now that this thread was started by "can't sit still".

I empathize.
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ygmir · Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 8265 Location: nevada county

hey now.........

*watching hugely muscled, handsome OED kicking sand at other kids on Venice beach*..........
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Deb Prothero · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: original thread

OED, speaking of the original thread, we were talking about decommodification to save our society.

Now you're spending your spare change on sex toys. How is that helping?
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oneeyeddick · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject:

You are right, it's not helping.

It is supposed to be about keeping it local, and using less.

Anyone wanna barter some spankings for some brandings ?

I've been a bad, bad boy.
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theCryptofishist · Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject:

can't sit still · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 2105 Location: Bend Or.

Deb,, " I believe that the de-commodification that we preach at Burning Man will need to be spread universally throughout the West."

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. That woul'd mean giving up being; self-absorbed, self-centered, hedonistic and greedy. Currently, our sense of security comes from our individual horde of assets. It would be tough to convert back to where we placed our faith in our community.
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Deb Prothero · Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject:

can't sit still;

Unfortunately I agree that it will be difficult. But doesn't it warm your heart that at least in one place on this planet, we are learning the gift culture and every year more and more people are interested in going.

That's what gives me hope. Well, that and the online love among burners to try to support each other as we take the principles home for the other 51 weeks.

can't sit still · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 2105 Location: Bend Or.

Yes, I love the gift culture. I've had 4 bicycles stolen. My generosity is bottomless.
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ygmir · Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 8265 Location: nevada county

can't sit still · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 2105 Location: Bend Or.

The world is currently run by force and greed. Here's a quote from Coolidge;

Peace must have other guarantees than constitutions and covenants. There is another element, more important than all, without which there can not be the slightest hope of a permanent peace. That element lies in the heart of humanity. Unless the desire for peace be cherished there, unless this fundamental and only natural source of brotherly love be cultivated to its highest degree, all artificial efforts will be in vain. Peace will come when there is realization that only under a reign of law, based on righteousness and supported by the religious conviction of the brotherhood of man, can there be any hope of a complete and satisfying life. Parchment will fail, the sword will fail, it is only the spiritual nature of man that can be triumphant.
--Calvin Coolidge
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Deb Prothero · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject:

I'm not real big on Coolidge's reliance on religious conviction having anything to do with hope.

However he ends the quotation by saying something far more relevant: "It is only the spiritual nature of (hu)man(ity) that can be triumphant."

That offers some hope.

As for the world being run by force and greed, I agree that this is the way of things. But it doesn't have to be. We can just stop participating especially in the commodification of our lives.

can't sit still · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 2105 Location: Bend Or.

Deb, leave out the word "religious" and it still reads " conviction of the brotherhood of man" .
That idea stands alone just fine. It's not very popular right now. Indications are that we are in a death-spiral. Survival will trump brotherhood,,, sadly.
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theCryptofishist · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject:

can't sit still · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 2105 Location: Bend Or.

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can't sit still · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 2105 Location: Bend Or.

You're right on all accounts. Even though the hero may get the girl and ride off into the sunset, he still has to get up and punch a timeclock in the morning. Burning Man certainly isn't a blueprint for survival.
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the fire elf · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject:

it's not an over the counter pill to cure what ails

if you can 'get it', carry it, and hold the space, why toss them in the light of lacking it?

sure... there are republicans... there's money... there's tv and goobs and gobs of this and that

this sprang out it

slit your ankle and run the three legged race?

nah

honor the ancestors

we fell from them

they lift us up

course, i could just be jaded and in denial

wouldn't that be weird

theCryptofishist · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:08 am Post subject:

Our nervous systems are not evolved to live in a world of 6+billion. Not even evolved to live in a city of 50,000. What ever you may think about the techniques that we developed in the past 10,000 years, ~~we don't have any other real horses in the race...~~

I find myself unsatisfied with this response. I want to get across the absolute silliness of thinking that "anarchy" is actually going to save us, when we aren't even defining the problem properly. I'm not saying "buy into the system;" in lots of obvious ways, the system sucks. I just thing that erasing the board and starting all over is throwing out a lot of hard earned baby, to mix a metaphor.

And now I"m gonna get called risk adverse again.
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ygmir · Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 8265 Location: nevada county

yeah, imagine staying, or being trapped, on the playa for extended time......

once the free booze and "e" ran out, there'd be herds of "fratboyyahhoos" running amok, looking for the "stuff" they're entitled to.......

if we could, we'd have to corral them all and keep em in the stock pens, for bbq..........

most of us can hold the loving, free and happy mindset for a week, some, only the weekend they come out, some, maybe longer.......but, in no time, it'd turn to barter and human interactions.....and all that go with them......

all, of course, IMHO......
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