SEX CAMP

[topknot]

I am a long time burner. Over the past five years I have become unhappy with the bull shit that surrounds sex camps.

So i have an idea!

I want to start a sex camp that will be open to all, that will make people of all types feel welcome and not just cater to a certain type of sexuality, and most specificaly make people who want to come to this type of camp and feel like they are not good enough because they cant get into or are not invited to or are not welcome in other sex camps feel like they have a place where they belong.

I am looking for help in this. So anyone who wants to help build a better Sex Camp this is the place for you.


Sincerly, TopKnot

[mikeylightsit]

I will try to do this covertly in the dark maze I hope to help create. what you can't see feels good........Lustor Planet X-2-C

[doberman]

well, i could bring in my 8.5 inch cock if you pleae.. 8)

[Smudge]

Having been to a sexuality workshop before, I am left wondering how you could create an environment in a place as open, chaotic, and public as BlackRockCity where people would be Safe?
I'd think safety would be more of an issue than simply availability and openness. How do you establish boundaries? What would you plan to do with people who lose control in ways that are unsafe for themselves or others? I've never been to a sex camp at burningman and really don't have any information on how they operate. I'm just aware of the potential problems that may arise.

[mikeylightsit]

Being a dark maze, "Look before you leap" does not apply..... Most people wondering about all the if, ands, and butts, will not be able to find it anyway....... :twisted:

[blyslv]

I'm starting my "Single Guys Hoping to Get Laid" camp (SGHTGL). There will be no rules of course, other than those imposed by state and federal law. If you want to be Safe (?) figure it out yourself.

Bring a towel! And some water to clean up, for pete's sake, didn't your mother teach you anything?

All Fierce Woman welcome, same with the shy ones. Fat guys in speedos embraced with open arms, but not by me.

Hot wet monkey love on a trapeze!

[ibdave]

Will you be serving Bacon?????

[gladeye]

It always seems to be dudes who are out to promote sex camps. If you are open to the possibilities and tilt your karma the right way, ANY camp can be sex camp. (Carrying around some extra E for making new friends helps too!)

[topknot]

I fully expected to get negative feed back on this post, but somehow when it comes it hurts all the same. Not a lot, but still a little. My coment to those of you who have constructive things to say. Like, how do we keep it safe? I say bravo keep the comments coming, that is something we will have to look into. For those of you who want to offer your 8.5 inch cock, ok. I'm sure there will be someone who is interested in it.

But, for those of you who only want to put down what I am trying to do here then i say, FUCK YOU! You dont have to come and are probably not going to have many people interested in you anyway with your bad attitude and represion.

Sex is not something that should be hidden. It is not something that should have arbitrary standerds imposed upon it so that people are not included. Sex is something that provided a persons boundries are respected should be enjoyed by everyone who wants to do it.

I am hopeing to bring idea of sex as a camp more into the main stream. People want it more then they are willing to admit i think. This camp will be open to all, have areas for everykind of activity. I alone however can not think of all the different types of sex that a person might want to have, with whoever they want to have it with, in what ever circumstances they want to have it.

That is why I am asking the Burner community as a whole if there is anyone else that agrees with me and would like to help me.


TopKnot

[MikeVDS]

Don't let negative comments bring you down, but definitely say "Fuck you". Realize that most people who put others down on-line are too pussy to do it in real life anyway. If they're not then they are assholes, and living with themselves has to be worse than anything they can say to you, so feel sorry for their sad little lives.

After saying that though, I don't think there was any negative comments on here yet. Just people trying to be funny. Can't be over sensitive around burners or you'll get burned. I personally appreciate negativity when it comes to my projects though. It lets me know where I might find flaws in my plan. If you disagree with a negative opinion, don't argue or worry about it, finish you're project and find out the truth for yourself or do some more research.

[zorro sings]

At the risk of jumping into the flames we would offer the following bits of our expeience.We are assuming that this post is concerned with the interactivity of such an endeavor rather than recruiting camp members.

First off we are not a sex camp but have in the past sponsored a fairly popular after Burn couples thing called Wache und Bewachen.So some experience with the subject.

I agree 100% with your outlook on sex.The ones who take it on themselves to define what is proper in this sphere are maybe missing the point.As long as the partners at our affair are happy we are happy.100% so far.

You describe your camp as"open to all".Fair enough but keep in mind,depending on the activities or event you have planned, that certain preferences enjoyed by some may be a complete turn off to others.Remember as well that "open to "all" also means tackling the immutable fact of the 60-40 Burning Man M-F ratio.Most "Sex Camps"of the past,Bianca Loves You comes to mind,were also welcoming to all and that ratio always seemed to be reinforced whenever I dropped in.I could be wrong but believe the atmosphere that dynamic created was one reason we have not seen Biancas for a few years now.

Something not mentioned at all in your posts is what sort of tent or enclosure you hope to host the get togethers.

Finally I do not think there are too many of those"other sex camps"you speak of.Good luck

[Scubapro]

Topknot,
I really like your idea and welcome it on the playa. I have friends who teach sex classes and one of their subjects is how to communicate about sex with your partner. Perhaps you could conduct a class that would improve a couple's sex life. You could teach human sexual anatomy, different techniques, meaningful communication, alternative sex such as BDSM (if you would call it that). Anyway, I think you get the idea.

Don't let the gainsayers get you down. Everyone has an opinion and should be allowed to express it regardless how negative. If you decide this will be your art, then go with it. I feel most burners won't have any problems with it. I will be applauding your efforts. Good luck.

P.S. Somehow this post managed to be posted as a new topic. Sorry folks.

[theCryptofishist]

My experience with parties of the ilk is that "open to all" means that certain people--disproportionately women" self select out. If you want a congenial atmosphere and a good chance of straight dudes getting something, you are going to have to make sure that yahoos don't wander in. Plan on moniters. Get them trained and practiced in advance.

[mikeylightsit]

It is all about touching feelings as well as touching others.............take what spice you need for your flavor......Lustor

[Ron]

Being a pervert and former pornographer I've been around sex communities for many years in various cities. No "sex club," lasts that is "open to all, all the time." Even the Wet Spot, Seattle's sex positive community center, has long ago learned that to attract certain crowds you've got to make an exclusive space for them and has started offering gender and orientation specific parties.

Now there are also parties there that are "open to all," and as a result great chunks of the population don't go when they are scheduled. Why? Because sex parties that lack restrictions on entry very quickly become overly populated with men looking for heterosexual interaction. Once you get a crowd of ten plus guys, all looking for an attractive woman to play with, lots of women, heterosexual couples, gays, and trans folk who are into things other than heterosexual play (and even a good chunk of those who are into that kind of fun) simply won't show up. Or, if they do, they'll take one look around the space and leave. I'm making no moral claim to any superiority or deficiency in that behavior, just pointing out that that is how folk behave, IME.

So if you're really wanting to do a sex camp I'd suggest getting rid of the notion that it'll be for everyone, all the time. Have specific parties and times with themes. Over the course of the event if you want to be "serving everyone," then do so with the range of your parties. But trying to mix the red hankie brigade, say, with your standard group of swingers isn't going to go well. (Red handkerchiefs being a single among the gay male crowd to show who is into anal fisting, for those who don't know.) Instead of simply opening the doors, have a Red Hankie party at time X, and a swinging couples party at time Y.

I'd also suggest you get a committee of perverts that represent the demographic you wish to attract involved in the planning and running of the camp. If you want to truly be something for everyone then get a group of "everyone," together to pull it off. No matter how open minded I, as a largely het male poly swinger and switch who isn't into S&M/B&D, am there is no way I could build an environment that would appeal to hard core leather butch dykes as well as one of their own could. By way of one example.

In terms of safety, orientations for everyone before their first visit is always a good idea. Going over the rules will not only educate folk on what they are, but also that they exist. Publish and post them around the space and have volunteer "hall monitors," that are there to educated and evict if necessary. And it will be so necessary, if you're space becomes popular, I can assure you.

Best of luck!

Ron

[blyslv]

Topknot if you are serious about doing this you need to be more specific than asking if anyone wants to help.

What can you contribute besides an inchoate idea? what are your thoughts about infrastructure, how much water you'll need and how to get it there? What are your opinions about the excellent advice given by other who have tried similar things? Are you going to get mapped? What is your plan to keep minors out? will you serve alchol. will there be music, do you need electricity? Are you willing to take responsibility for getting it mapped yourself?

From my meagre experience setting up camps and other things, you'll have a much easier time if you present a much more fully formed idea and asking for specific help, rather than throwing a sort of nifty idea up on a forum and asking for help (quitre frankly it seems rather lazy to do that). That means that you have to make some initial decisions and narrowing down choices, then have enough confidence that other people will think you're idea is worth helping on.

Trying to be all things to all people usually means ending up being nothing to nobody.

[theCryptofishist]

What Ron Said.

[Rat Bastard]

Topknot,
This is kinda funny to read. Well, ironic actually. Some friends and I are currently in the throws of setting up a camp similar to what your idea is. I can agree with Ron about the trials and tribulations of being "open to all". Ron knows what he's talking about. Anyone that knows the hanky code usually has a clue. BTW Ron, ever heard of M.A.F.I.A. in Chicago? (some friends of mine).

Our camp is called Libido Lounge. Our goal is provide an atmosphere conducive to the interests of people currently in some form of alternative lifestyle or interest therein. (Honeymoon suite?) 100% of our camps members are currently active in some form of sexual lifestyle and are verified as such. People that are new or curious about sexual lifestyles are encouraged to stop by for seminars but asked to camp elsewhere.

As for our progress, we have lists, (lots of them) camp sketches, members with tickets, a tribe.net, a plan and a lot of motivation. We have a lot of friggin work to do in 200 days. We also have an application process for people that want to camp with us. This is to protect our campers and to ensure we stay 100% Lifestyle. We will have parties and seminars open to the 21+ public but will reserve most of our entertaining for couples and single females in the lifestyle. Unescorted males can go back out on the playa and find a date themselves. We will be submiting our theme camp application for placement as soon as Borg allows. Watch out for Libido Lounge at BM2007. 21+ with ID!

If your interested in discussing this more Topknot, feel free to email me off list or check out tribes.tribe.net/libidolounge

[Dustdevil]

What they all said, and in addition, you must have security. You will need several members of your camp who are sober enough and willing to take on the position of being the "bouncers". You need security for the inside action as well as the perimeter on the outside. Inside the tent, "No means NO" and your people must be watchful at all times. You cannot allow a person who is not in the best state of mind to be taken advantage of. There is a fine line at times, but this is important. On the outside of your tent you must have people posted while any adult activity is taking place. The quickest way to get shut down is to allow any minor inside or to view what is happening inside. I assist in the Great Canadian Beaver Eating Contest and we have made contestants actually return to their camp for ID. In my opinion, this is a more serious issue than alcohol for minors. The above opinions relating to open for everyone all the time are correct. It will not work. The successful events that are ongoing must screen out unescorted males or in a short while there would only be men. The suggestion of having a different theme is a good idea, the difficulty will be in getting the word out to the masses. The GCBEC will be in its' 7th year in 07 and there is always a long line that forms early to get in. The organizers put a lot of time and thought into the event each year and it has always been a success. Be prepared for some not-so-much-fun clean up each morning. Just part of the job. If you go ahead with this idea, "Safer Sex Camp" will donate some needed supplies to your project. Good People at SSC.

[mikeylightsit]

all posturing and suggestions are fine, but remember I was thinking about having a special event with an undisclosed location. Those that mind don't matter, those that matter don't mind.....Black Sheets parties in SF went very well since the rules had to be read and agreeded upon before checking your clothes in, which was a great way to put all on an equal footing, wearing only what you wanted or needed to wear to enjoy yourself and others...MOnitors were about and they really did a good job of making sure not even gawkers were allowed to spoil any scenes....I willl be haing a friend or two bring up the maze. where it goes is not going to be public......If I have any say in the matter....

I will find a way to notify everyone who would like to go by using a speciall post on the bullitin board and maybe using as I said, an invisable black light sign or two directing people to the location via a second location to sceen those who can't be trusted to play by the rules. The messages will best be read in the dark..... The rules will be simple: NO means No.......This will be an honor system party. Lustor :twisted:

[Ron]

... BTW Ron, ever heard of M.A.F.I.A. in Chicago? (some friends of mine).

Oh, yeah, and having said that I suspect we probably have some friends in common.

For myself the topic is bittersweet as none of my local lovers want to go to BRC, and the one playa lover I've found isn't into public or recreational play. So I've had to be the single guy barred entry to all the fun places every time I've gone to the burn. Ah, well, good thing it's not about the sex, eh? ;)

Ron

[Ron]

........ The rules will be simple: NO means No.......This will be an honor system party. Lustor :twisted:

Don't know if you consider this posturing or no, but most clubs have learned that the above rule isn't sufficient. "No means no, ask before touching," is a common modification that lots of folks use. Or something close to that.

The problem with "No means no," is that it seems to imply that it's allowable to come up to someone and place a hand on them by way of asking if it's OK to play. As opposed to actually using one's words and saying, "Hey, want to play?" before any physical contact. There are other philosophical levels to the objections folk have raised to the simplicity of "no means no," but the short story is that most clubs are changing/have changed it and I've seen one club in particular fight over the issue (internally) for years before making the change.

Not to be taking pot shots, but rather in the spirit of trying to help, are these thoughts offered...

Ron

[theCryptofishist]

Yes, black sheets did this very well.
I met my husband there.

[topknot]

I want to thank everyone for all of there comments so far, and i would ask that you keep them comeing. I realize however that it may be a little too soon in the year to have a ton of activity on the eplaya yet, but one can always hope.

Also if there is anyone who would like to participate in a camp like this please let me know.

topknot

[yogiii2]

I would be very interested!

i love this kind of thing.

yogiii

[topknot]

Yogiii,

Send me a private message and tell me a little bit about your self. I am mainly interested to know more about why you want to be part of this camp. It needs to be because you want to bring a very open and sex positive atmosphere to Black Rock City. NOT just because you want to get laid. Though I'm sure that will be a part of it.

This camp is much more about giveing than getting, much much more.

I post this here so that others who are interested as well can also get an idea of our expectations for the members of this camp.

TopKnot

[Dr. Pyro]

To parapharase Groucho Marx, I'm not sure I'd want to join a sex camp that would have someone like me for a member.

[Bin Noddin]

You mean that would have your member for a member?

[BAS]

I don't think I want Dr. Pyro as my member..., in fact, I am certain I don't!



B.

[flightless]

The problem with "No means no," is that it seems to imply that it's allowable to come up to someone and place a hand on them by way of asking if it's OK to play. As opposed to actually using one's words and saying, "Hey, want to play?" before any physical contact.

I definitely agree -- "Ask before you touch" is a CRUCIAL rule or else women are going to feel unsafe. I've been to swingers' and bondage-themed nightclubs and they have had to be very strict about that (and often about excluding unescorted men too) to make a place that women feel safe enough to attend. Bouncers are pretty key too.