Colonel Monk wrote:
Thanks for helping me articulate my point. We all know that as a virgin you just don't know what the hell you're getting yourself into, and other than feeding yourself and keeping yourself from being incinerated, you don't really know what you're doing.
Waynerd, please, I don't hate you for being a newb - that you're here in ePlaya and really trying to learn all you can about the ropes months before you go says A LOT.
I'm talking about those with no real ties to the event, who buy a ticket because time magazine said it was awesome, show up in street clothes on thursday, get drunk for 72 hours, watch the man burn, and then leave immediately on Sunday and really just came to stare. Like it or not, there is a significant portion of these kinda of people that come to burning man, and in this situation of ticket scarcity I want their effing ticket for those of us who contribute
Fair enough but how on earth are you going to predict who will be a "contributing virgin" and who will be a "clueless dumbass." Unless you have psychic powers we're not aware of, its going to be hard to tell purely from ticket application who will fall into which category.
There is no way to predict what someone will do at BM at their first time purely based on the fact that they are virgins. I've had virgin camp-mates that were seriously out of place, had a miserable time, and never returned, I've had virgins who worked their ass off on year-1 pre-event and post-event, I've had virgins who fucked-off the first year and came back on year 2 and kicked ass (myself included!), even saw an obvious virgin neighbor pull-up with his girlfriend in a shiny BMW SUV basically hide in their car for two days and leave.... Without knowing these personally I would imagine its impossible to predict how they will turn out....
Our camp instituted a policy last year of having virgin camp-mates be "nominated" by a current member and set-up limits on how many virgins any one particular member could bring. This helped get virgins more involved in working on the camp and art projects but by no means guaranteed great participation....We've had upwards of 50% virgins in the camp at one time and aside from the camp being just a bit too big it worked it fine. Being a virgin says nothing about you.
I have to tend to agree with you - HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE ANY GOOD OR NOT?
"My Name is Colonel Monk - and I don't know what I'm talking about" <you know, like the interview guy on PBS that was spoofed on SNL? anyway...>
I don't know how you do that with an open sale, and maybe that's why THAT aspect of the burn needs to change / evolve / whatever
Looking at what you wrote above, you fully know what I'm talking about - some virgins turn out to be great and some of them should never have had a ticket wasted on them. My first year several years ago, on Tuesday we were headed to the burn, and at the gas station in Fernley, I witnessed a woman EMASCULATING her man for ever bringing her to the event. Waste of a ticket.
So you guys in your camp have instituted a system whereby a virgin can't be brought to the burn without some serious consideration. That right there is a possible solution to our problem.
Perhaps in order to buy one of the LIMITED number of tickets available to newbs each year, you need to submit an essay and explain why you think you'll be a good addition to the community. Make people think about this BEFORE they decide to come out. I've been disappointed by people I've met that I thought were cool, only to hear them exclaim "it's just a giant party in the desert, who cares"
Who is going to read the essays? Well, I would volunteer to read some, and I'm sure many of you would too. The first pass to weed out the scalpers and gapers would be really quite easy.
Or, maybe you have to attend a regional event first, and gain your credentials.
Speaking of my own experience, my friend that ultimately brought me into the fold had been a burner for a decade since the mid nineties - he wouldn't tell me anything about the event really - he wasn't interested in "selling" me on it or "recruiting" me - he wanted to see me take a genuine interest in it and pursue other means to learn about it before he even would talk to me about it.
I don't support the practice of theme camps "recruiting" virgins, it seems kind of self-serving. And it can be to the detriment of the community. Look at it this way, now there's not enough tickets for everyone to go - so why would you persuade someone to go to the event who would not have found it unless you sold them on it? By your own admission, some of them don't work out, hate it and never come back - so the screening process isn't perfect.
But verily, better that newbs can at least be "pre-screened" by your theme camp then allowing those tickets to go to weekend warrior yahoos...