Military Discount?

[Packoderm]

Construction and agricultural workers wear sunscreen also, and it is sad watching anyone dig a deeper hole without suntan lotion.

Only the wimpy ones. Real men wear tan accelerator.

[lemur]

which nations military fights to support the freedoms that allow someone to not support soldiers or the military?

[Packoderm]

which nations military fights to support the freedoms that allow someone to not support soldiers or the military?

What do you mean by supporting the military? You mean contributing money to help soldiers call home? I've done that. http://www.freedomcalls.org/

[lemur]

Today's vets deserve at least the same benefits as those that served in any war before, and you should be ashamed of yourself and your attitude in not supporting them.

you know, support.

remember the magnets?

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

you know .. "I HATE THE WAR BUT I LOVE THE TROOPS"..

'support'

[Packoderm]

JKisha, let's each donate $25 tonight for freedom calls? Name your support, I'll do it within my means.

[lemur]

how about we all give $20 to the NGO's that feed the starving people that result from all the various wars the US gets involved in and $5 to the troops in harms way.

we would sleep well tonight, thats for sure!

[Packoderm]

how about we all give $20 to the NGO's that feed the starving people that result from all the various wars the US gets involved in and $5 to the troops in harms way.

we would sleep well tonight, thats for sure!

Here here. Put the links up Lemur, and I'll do that. They should have a thing that says on facebook: "Packoderm donated $20 for such and such NGO..."

[lemur]

They should have a thing that says on facebook: "Packoderm donated $20 for such and such NGO..."

the only brownie points i need come from God.

i will do my supporting in private from everyone else but Him.

[sandgoddess]

...And "not like real wars like Vietnam, Korea and WW1+2 where sacrifice was truly made by all"?
Is not the sacrifice of one's arms, legs, eyes, or psychological well being enough? Many male soldiers bank their sperm for the reason that losing their testicles to an IED is not uncommon. A wife, husband, mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, neice, nephew, or cousin losing their loved one to war is quite a sacrifice.

Every day 18 veterans commit suicide. Eighteen. That's one veteran every 80 minutes. In my state of Oregon, veteran suicides account for 27% of suicides annually.

Real wars? The fact that our service men AND WOMEN are being killed almost every day FOR TEN YEARS NOW should be reason enough to consider these current wars as real. When you see a vet walking on a prosthetic leg, he's been to war. When you hear of a vet in treatment for PTSD, they've been to war. When you see a vet cry for the loss of a buddy when they were on a mission together just hours ago, they've been to war. When you hear a child cry because their mommy is never coming home because she was killed by a suicide bomber when she was driving a truckload of supplies to the front, she's been to war. Real war. Fighting and killing and dying and screaming war. Real fucking war.

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.
You are doing it wrong.

No one could have said what you did, better.
BRAVO!!!!
Thank you for your service.
Thank you, thank you...Thank You.
Your courage rises far and above what Courage is even comprehended to be, by many.

[Packoderm]

They should have a thing that says on facebook: "Packoderm donated $20 for such and such NGO..."

the only brownie points i need come from God.

i will do my supporting in private from everyone else but Him.

Very well. I was ready to step up. Not for glory or anything, but good things can come from a dare. Oh, you mean about the brownie points regarding the facebook thing. I was thinking of the brownie points encouraging the formation of a thousand points of light. No harm no foul.

[The Raven]

I thought getting something for nothing and being taken care of by the government was Socialism? I thought you pro-American types despised that system as it was anti-american?

BTW, any vet who does not brag, whine and does not take benefits is A OK in my book. It's an honor to know those folks. WW2 vets were like that. You would never know unless you asked. Heroes were considered the ones who died. Hell my grandfather only got his medals when my uncle applied for him he didn't want them. He also never took any VA benefits.

[Clar-i-ty]

I thought getting something for nothing and being taken care of by the government was Socialism? I thought you pro-American types despised that system as it was anti-american?

BTW, any vet who does not brag, whine and does not take benefits is A OK in my book. It's an honor to know those folks. WW2 vets were like that. You would never know unless you asked. Heroes were considered the ones who died. Hell my grandfather only got his medals when my uncle applied for him he didn't want them. He also never took any VA benefits.

That's right. We should just give everything we have, our youth, our sweat, our blood, our tears and then go quietly while others say we deserve nothing. After all it's your right to tell us so and BTW, you're welcome.

Make sure you don't miss any spots with that broad brush you're painting with. And in case you need somewhere else to post, I started a Troll Bait discussion in the Philosophy section.

[jkisha]

JKisha, let's each donate $25 tonight for freedom calls? Name your support, I'll do it within my means.

I'd be happy you just do an attitude adjustment.
But how about this...when I win the new ticket lottery and auction off (scalp) all my extra tickets on ebay to the highest bidder, I'll give all the proceeds to a veterans organization.

[Packoderm]

Why would I need an attitude adjustment? I hold those in the military in perfectly high regard. Didn't I say to go ahead and give them the discount? Honor them; that's fine. I will not, however, place them in higher regard than other people who are also putting it all on the line. It's not fair to those in the military to do that - to place higher expectations of them. Those in the military are not one of them; they're one of us. I personally know cops who give themselves an allowance for brutish behavior in exchange for the perceived higher expectations placed upon them. They often assume an us vs. them mentality. That's a slippery slope. Those in the military have a job to do, and the all-volunteer army seems to be doing a fine job given the circumstances. I do feel bad that our military people are put in a bad situation due to Bush's harebrained idea of going after Saddam for something Osama did. We lost a whole lot of credibility and effectiveness throughout the Middle East for that stunt.

[jkisha]

I'm all for bringing back the draft and instituting a 10% flat tax on total earnings for each war congress or the president decides we should be fighting. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be fighting in too many new wars.

This conversation is getting pretty deep, I might have to start thinking here.

Actually, respect and support for veterans and those in the military is also a political manipulation; and is certainly not limited to this country or even this point in time. Once soldiers feel they aren't respected, they won't be motivated to fight wars. Once this happens, political leaders lose power. So, it is extremely important, politically, to venerate the warriors and the concept of patriotism. This is a reality I don't particularly care for and it is rarely discussed for obvious reasons.

[CapnJoe45]

Dicks that have never served their country are quick to complain about vetrans benifits. Your attitude would be different if you had. So FUCK OFF!!!

[CapnJoe45]

Stick these shit heads in Afganistan for a year and they would really complain!!!!

[The Raven]

I agree with the draft too, instead of a bunch of the same minded people going in and giving the service a bad name you have EVERYONE going in and diversifying the ranks. It would be the peoples army with no one group thinking they deserve squat.

I also support mandatory service as well, 1-2 years serving then a free ride to college and job training. That would solve a LOT of issues. Combine this with keeping everyone on inactive reserve and the US would be a force to be reckoned with as the entire population would basically be an army.

[lemur]

keeping everyone on inactive reserve and the US would be a force to be reckoned with as the entire population would basically be an army.

and about as useful as this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terracotta_Army

[The Raven]

keeping everyone on inactive reserve and the US would be a force to be reckoned with as the entire population would basically be an army.

and about as useful as this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terracotta_Army

Well...I never....go back and play with your unique flora and fauna on that strange african island Madagascar has always fascinated me.

[jkisha]

It would be the peoples army with no one group thinking they deserve squat.

Ridiculous. Having a draft would still create one group thinking they deserve squat--that group would be called VETERANS you idiot. A veteran is a veteran, it doesn't matter from what social strata they enlist or are drafted from.

[lemur]

the people who need forklifts to get them out of their homes.. and ride around on flatbed trucks are on very inactive reserve

[The Raven]

It would be the peoples army with no one group thinking they deserve squat.

Ridiculous. Having a draft would still create one group thinking they deserve squat--that group would be called VETERANS you idiot. A veteran is a veteran, it doesn't matter from what social strata they enlist or are drafted from.

Well right now I get the impression that veterans feel entitled to special treatment ref the OP. Make ALL US citizens veterans by instituting a required military service and that line disappears and entitlement disappears.

I have a question: is a French Foreign Legion vet still a vet in the US? Technically many US citizens join and fight alongside nationals of many countries.

[jkisha]

It would be the peoples army with no one group thinking they deserve squat.

Ridiculous. Having a draft would still create one group thinking they deserve squat--that group would be called VETERANS you idiot. A veteran is a veteran, it doesn't matter from what social strata they enlist or are drafted from.

Well right now I get the impression that veterans feel entitled to special treatment ref the OP. Make ALL US citizens veterans by instituting a required military service and that line disappears and entitlement disappears.

Even with the draft, not all would serve. I think the entitlement is warranted. (Not necessarily at BM; but by their country without question.)

Hey, I think BM should offer Senior Citizen discounts too!

[The Raven]

There are a couple countries I think Switzerland and Israel. Make it a requirement, like selective service reg. It does not mean war, but rather national guard stuff. Rebuilding communities, Americorp work, national defense......and IF our fine leaders wish to endanger ALL the countries youth including their own then even ship off to war. I guarantee we would be a more peaceful and BETTER country.

Quite frankly I'm half your age, and see the little shits of the millenial gen that are half my age. Holy crap do they feel entitled. Let them build some levies, or see the loss after a natural disaster. Then their newest fashions, fabs and Ipads would mean shit.

[lemur]

Quite frankly I'm half your age, and see the little shits of the millenial gen that are half my age. Holy crap do they feel entitled. Let them build some levies, or see the loss after a natural disaster. Then their newest fashions, fabs and Ipads would mean shit.

i dunno man.. i think youre misinterpreting 'progress'

and every generation seems to say the same thing..

'back in my day.. it was harder.. ..'


yeah,... pretty much go back in the history books and thats how it goes..


back in my day you had to ride across country in a ox drawn wagon.. fending for yourself on what supplies you brought and the stuff you killed... sometimes pissed of natives kill your family members.

sheesh, these entitled assholes these days who just think that their fancy 'cars' and 'roads' and 'grocery stores' are anything?... just wait until they see what living REALLY is out there.

[jkisha]

There are a couple countries I think Switzerland and Israel. Make it a requirement, like selective service reg. It does not mean war, but rather national guard stuff. Rebuilding communities, Americorp work, national defense......and IF our fine leaders wish to endanger ALL the countries youth including their own then even ship off to war. I guarantee we would be a more peaceful and BETTER country.

Quite frankly I'm half your age, and see the little shits of the millenial gen that are half my age. Holy crap do they feel entitled. Let them build some levies, or see the loss after a natural disaster. Then their newest fashions, fabs and Ipads would mean shit.

You are aware that Obama has suggested this? The Republican congress shot it down as socialism. http://www.americorps.gov/ But do a google search for it and you'll see how it was received.

[Isotopia]

Oh, here we go. Wading into the cesspool of political points and counter points.

Second best thread kill next to accusing someone of being a Nazi.

[jkisha]

Oh, here we go. Wading into the cesspool of political points and counter points.

Second best thread kill next to accusing someone of being a Nazi.

I was wondering when you'd be crawling out from under your rock.

[Clar-i-ty]

I agree with the draft too, instead of a bunch of the same minded people going in and giving the service a bad name you have EVERYONE going in and diversifying the ranks.

What makes you think that the military is a bunch of same minded people? Do you not see a diverse group of veterans here as part of a diverse community?

Again, I'd like to invite you to contribute to the Troll Bait discussion in the philosophy section.

Fucktard