mk-ultra wrote:I'm pretty sure we had a LEO "trolling" for a bust at our camp this year.
We were relaxing in lawn chairs in our camp in the afternoon... sipping beer and listening to music... and a guy nobody knows rolls up on his bike and says out-of-the-blue, "Hey... I heard I could buy some E from you guys?"
WTF? Of course we weren't selling E. I've never had *anyone* at BM ever come up to me and ask to *buy* drugs.
Perhaps it was some random retard with his camps mixed up... but, honestly, it felt like a set-up. In retrospect, after giving the dude the wave-off I should have watched to see if he moved on to pull the same thing with the neighbors.
pln2bz wrote:The really sorry thing about the drug war and burning man is that the quickie approach-buy tactic only nabs the least educated and least experienced of the bunch. Those burners who actually do drugs on the playa tend to generally be some of the most intelligent drug users in the world. For God's sake, Alexander Shulgin speaks at the event every year now. Take your average drug user at burning man, and he could completely school the narc's on the laws, culture and effects of drugs.
The intention with the drug war is to stop or lessen the transport and use of drugs. In order to actually accomplish something like that, however, they would have to have some plan for catching the big ballers. When narc's at burning man approach people and ask for drugs, there are only a select handful of people who will actually oblige them -- and none of those people are ballers. Many of them, in fact, only peripherally know people who use drugs, and are in fact very low-level users who toke up on rare occasions.
But the narc's surely have quotas necessary to establish that they are "doing their job". Taken as a whole, the entire system is broken and needs to be scrapped and replaced with a true harm reduction policy. As many people here have pointed out, the purpose of law enforcement should be to help people. When that trust is broken, then this can affect the public's willingness to cooperate with law enforcement. With such a broken system in place, nobody is actually being helped. They're not even catching the people they want to be catching. And their activities certainly in no way diminishes the number of overdoses happening at the burn. Only real, substantive drug education could accomplish something like that.
I had my first direct encounter with an undercover this year. Some poor young-looking kid approached me at the burn (a definite danger zone as far as users are concerned) and asked me for "psychedelics". There were three gorrilla-looking LEO's within ten feet, ready to pounce. I laughed in his face, and took the opportunity to ridicule him as much as possible. What you have to understand is that, in the same way that drug users enjoy and can become addicted to drugs, the LEO's enjoy and can become addicted to catching drug users. The difference is that the effects of their enforcement tend to be far more damaging to users than the effects of the drugs themselves.
It is not hard to force them to blow their own cover when these guys do this garbage. Ask them if you can take your picture with him or her, and rather than "cheese", tell them that you're doing an expose on undercover narc's just before the flash goes off. He'll surely confiscate your camera, but at least the mystery will be solved.
I had a friend a few years back get arrested for destruction of property (it was a legitimate arrest). He was inebriated in some way, and happened to be naked. This happened early in the week. On the drive out to Reno, they stopped the car and had him get out while naked and hand-cuffed so that incoming burners could observe him and be scared. In a technical sense, this is called a "perp walk", and it is a violation of a person's civil rights. They're very lucky that there weren't any lawyers driving by at the moment, or my friend could have made a lot of money in a lawsuit. These guys really do oftentimes play fast-and-loose with the rules. And why wouldn't they? They surely realize that their efforts are having little-to-no effect. It's the same exact reason why we see so much corruption amongst drug law enforcers.
People who ramble on on these boards about how horrible it is to taunt the drug enforcers probably don't know any responsible drug users whose lives have been ruined by a police encounter. The drug war is based almost entirely upon lies and propaganda. If we were to arrest every person who had ever used illegal drugs in this country, that would technically be every other person. Any law that so severely criminalizes half of the population needs to be reconsidered. At that point, it *ONLY* makes sense to reduce the harm through education and treatment. Prison is where otherwise-casual drug users get their first opportunity to become professional criminals.
I'm personally glad to know that many people manage to get their drugs to burning man and do them without interference. It is a very personal decision after all. It's none of my business or anybody else's, and it's testament to the personal liberties that this country is founded upon. Like it or not, for many people, drugs are as much a part of the American Dream as money, sex, skyscrapers and a picket fence. The American government appears to fully realize this actually ...
You must have missed my midnight punctuation class at the teacher's desk in the middle of the playa. We covered apostrophe rules, plural and posessive, contractions, and advanced grammar. I had a solid class of students hang out for a while, one of whom even had some single malt scotch. That student was able to change the course of the lesson from basic English to philosophy. That's when the party started to get good.ScrogFather wrote:Is this English class?
pln2bz wrote: I had a friend a few years back get arrested for destruction of property (it was a legitimate arrest). He was inebriated in some way, and happened to be naked.
pln2bz wrote: This happened early in the week. On the drive out to Reno, they stopped the car and had him get out while naked and hand-cuffed so that incoming burners could observe him and be scared.
pln2bz wrote: In a technical sense, this is called a "perp walk",
pln2bz wrote: ...and it is a violation of a person's civil rights.
pln2bz wrote: They're very lucky that there weren't any lawyers driving by at the moment, or my friend could have made a lot of money in a lawsuit.
Toolmaker wrote:Heres a prank thats a lil safer to pull on the cops..
Tell the undercover that you HEARD that they can score in center camp if they buy 7 cups of coffee and pay with a benjamin telling the clerk that the remaining funds are a tip.
Simon of the Playa wrote:goodness me oh my, what a trip to the local uniform outfitter can do for your burn...
GageNdG wrote:Simon of the Playa wrote:goodness me oh my, what a trip to the local uniform outfitter can do for your burn...
*Added to 2009 ToDo List*
unjonharley wrote:Every year I go to a party.. This party has as many as 400 people.. They are out on the streets of Portland Or. In and out of bars. Trafic has to stop to let them pass.. And they all get pretty drunk by the wee hours..
There are two rules.. Don't mess with kids and don't fuck with the cops..
ZaphodBurner wrote:unjonharley wrote:Every year I go to a party.. This party has as many as 400 people.. They are out on the streets of Portland Or. In and out of bars. Trafic has to stop to let them pass.. And they all get pretty drunk by the wee hours..
There are two rules.. Don't mess with kids and don't fuck with the cops..
Santa gets PISSED if you mess with the kids. The police didn't like the fruitcake trebuchet in 2005 so much but didn't say much about the clowns tripping on whip-its in the grass.
More recently at the aforementioned party I picked up a piece of litter or whatever it was and turned around to see a Portland police officer staring at me from about a foot away. Dude seemed to materialize out of nowhere. He gave me a Junior Crime Fighter sticker.
I'm a Junior Crime Fighter.
A moment later, Santa gave me some jello from a plastic cup. It tasted like fire. (Baaaad Santa.)
gyre wrote:Did you miss the parading him around part?
EB wrote:Arresting a person who's naked is not a civil rights violation per se. If this were true, all criminals would immediately strip naked before arrest. And, as we all know, this only happens in women's prison movies and in my imagination.
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