Toolmaker wrote:I still don't understand why nobody wants to burn the UN flag.
blyslv wrote:thanks for the clarification. Maybe if you broke a jaw, it could get bumped up.
"Advancing a message in a positive manner" There's nothing wrong with that. The real challenge with flag burning as an art project is making it interesting and compelling. I think that would be difficult. I also think it would be MORE difficult to make popping someone in the jaw an interesting and compelling art project.
In any event Teo misstated the law with respect to flag burning, and he did so in a way that was rude and belittling.
turtlex wrote:Question from a Newbie ( ie - never been to a Burn but have always wanted to go ) - - Just how many local or state police are usually on the Playa? I suppose this could get a tad bit hairy if you find some really gung-ho law folks who are spoiling for a fight / arrest.
SFNathan wrote:Violence is totally inappropriate at Burning Man. You have no business arguing that in some circumstances itâ€™s okay
Eric wrote:Burn the flag for all I care. It doesn't weaken our freedom (the Oval Office is doing that quite well), it doesn't change how we live. It's a symbol of America, but it sure as hell isn't the reason I love this country.
Teo del Fuego wrote:
1. flag burning should be legal or illegal depending on the will of the democracy expressed in the form of laws at the local level. The framers of the Constitution used words much more precisely than 7 of 12 Supreme Court justices when they protected "speech" as opposed to "attitude" or "actions." "
2.Democracy is about the community and the individual. Because we are a democracy, the community should rule except in areas where the individual is significantly affected, e.g. abortion, voting, slavery, etc. ..but burning some cloth in order to piss people off? In my opinion, doesn't arise to the level of concern worthy of the Constitution.
2. I detest violence and have punched only one person in my life, and only after he attacked my girlfriend. That was in 1991.
3. If the violent act of burning a symbol near and dear to the hearts of millions is your protected feree speech, then, if I chose to do it, (which sweethearts is highly highly remote) I'll exercise my free speech in like kind.
4. If Im caught exercising my form of protest will I represent myself in Court? Yes, because I'll plead guilty and accept my fine...I will NOT, as many of you would do, try to hide behind an attenuated interpretation of the US Constitution.
blyslv wrote:1. Huh? Flag-burning, for nbetter or worse is protected speech. what is this talk of should? Plus I always thought there were nine justices. Did I miss something?
blyslv wrote:2. Can you point me to the textual basis for your assertions in this statement?
blyslv wrote:3. Here it sound like you are threatening to hit someone again if they burn a flag. You seem to equate hitting people with free speech, notwithstanding your admirable record of refrainig from violence since 1991. Is that what you mean, that you'll hit anyone you see burning a flag?
blyslv wrote:4. As for #4, I think it was confucious who said that an attorney who represents himself has a fool for a client.
Teo del Fuego wrote:No Confucious said "Man who walk through airport door sideways is going to Bangcock."
Teo del Fuego wrote:Eric wrote:Burn the flag for all I care. It doesn't weaken our freedom (the Oval Office is doing that quite well), it doesn't change how we live. It's a symbol of America, but it sure as hell isn't the reason I love this country.
Really, the most cogent sentence typed thus far in the debate.
ZaphodBurner wrote:Flag burning is the post-adolescent temper tantrum of spoiled suburbanite idiots who can't articulate an argument in a more constructive manner.
Teo del Fuego wrote:ZaphodBurner wrote:Flag burning is the post-adolescent temper tantrum of spoiled suburbanite idiots who can't articulate an argument in a more constructive manner.
Another excellent statement/sentiment/sentence. Crypto, are you counting?
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